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Dear Vegan Nice Guys, I'll date a meat eater if I damn well please

Dear Vegan Nice Guys, I'll date a meat eater if I damn well please

We all probably know about the Nice Guy.

He's the sort of guy who is normally a pleasant person. Until a girl he fancies goes home with a dominant alpha male and he starts ranting about "girls only dating jerks" and "nice guys finish last" and "these girls ignore guys like me and then cry when the jerks they do date cheat on them". 

You know the type.

But if you're actively involved in the vegetarian/vegan community you'll have probably met this archetypes half-brother: the vegan nice guy.

The Vegan Nice Guy is the guy who believes that because he's woke on the realities of the meat industry, that vegan woman should fall at his feet. When they don't - or, god forbid, decide to date a meat eater because of female sexual agency - the hissy fit ensues.

This is where you imagine me falling off my chair from severe eye roll.

Here's just an example if what I've seen in the past:

Post after post and meme after meme saying "you're not a true vegan if you date a meat-eater". 

There was one disheartening story from a vegan male about a Tinder date with a meat-eater, where the girl mocked him. He was respectful about her but in the comments came "dude, the ratio of female to male vegans is high, you could just have your pick of vegan girls". 

There was once (many moons ago) a meme shared that said something along the lines of "Girls say there's no vegan men, but here we are". 

Plus, my personal favourite: "a vegan dating a meat-eater is like a feminist dating a misogynist". 

Oh, and this Reddit.

This is where you imagine me screaming into the void.

So Vegan Nice Guys (and people of all genders who support them) let's break it down!

Your dating priorities might not be the same as everyone elses

I have a small checklist of requirements that categorically need to be checked off before I enter a relationship. It's the big things: also doesn't want children/doesn't want any more if they are already a parent, also open to the idea of non-monogamy, stable job (or legitimate reason not to), politically/socially progressive and has their shit together. Then I have my strong preferences: doesn't smoke, geek, is also a city person, and won't roll-eye at my boyband obsession.

As far as my preferences go, vegan is a preference but not a strong one. Since going vegetarian I have only dated meat-eaters and very rarely has it been an issue. While most of my preferences listed above are built around things that did become issues in past relationships.

But that's the thing about dating preferences - they are personal. I don't force my preferences on other people. So I use as hell don't like it when others push their preferences on me.

Even if vegan is a preference, it won't be there only preference

If a vegan categorically won't date someone who eats meat that is their choice. However, it won't be the only thing they look for in a partner. So cut out the crap that vegan men should automatically get vegan girls for no other reason.

We all have gaps in our ethics

I do try and live as ethical a lifestyle as I can, but I have blind spots. I still buy my work clothes from Primark, I still prefer paper books to e-books, and I'm still guilty of white feminism.

It's important to me that a serious romantic partner (more on that definition later!) tries to make the world a better place. But I'm not going to get uppity if their priorities are different to mine and if they have blind spots - as I'd want the same respect in return.

Not everyone is vegan for the same reasons

I went vegan for the animals, and the reduction greenhouse gases was just an added plus. I don't actually believe that a vegan diet is any healthier than a meat-diet (I mean, have you seen how much vegan junk food there is these days?). But my reasons weren't everyone's reasons - and these vegan women might be vegan for a reason that is different from you.

There's a difference between a life partner and someone I might have a fling with

The non-negotiables and preferences I mentioned above are only applicable for serious relationships. If I'm just looking for a fun fling, the only real requirement is chemistry. I've had flings in the past where I don't think me being vegan even came up...

Not all women are into men

Just a reminder, y'all.
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Men, we need to talk about feminine beauty regimes (because most of you need an education)

Men, we need to talk about feminine beauty regimes (because most of you need an education)

One of the earliest discrepancies being men and women I noticed was beauty standards.

I touched upon this a little bit in my post about pop culture and the negative lessons about love that it taught me. In films we see nerds with braces and acne chasing after the picture-perfect head cheerleader. Then bitching that these beautiful chicks only fancy good-looking jocks. Can't imagine why an athletic good-looking female would prefer an athletic good-looking guy...

This movie trope plays into real life too. At school and in my adult life I've witnessed men who don't take much interest in their appearance expect any woman they date to look like a supermodel.

But that's not where it stops. We also have to put up with men complaining when women wear too much make-up. Moaning that make-up "lies", and raise their voice in anger when they realise how different a woman can look without it (because they were somehow led to believe that women are born with red glossy lips?).

Women are told to find a balance between having everything concealed but not to cake it on. That make-up is a necessity but don't take more than 10 minutes applying it. They want a natural beauty, while not realise how rare natural beauties are.

I know why these perceptions persist. The women in the media are (almost) always groomed to perfection, while men aren't always. We see a wider variety of men in the public eye: for every David Beckham, we also have a goofy comedian like James Cordon. This creates a disorientation as to how women in real life look and what constitutes as natural. The men I'm writing about might genuinely not have a clue just how much effort Hollywood starlets put into their appearance.

So men - especially those who find themselves attracted to feminine women* - let's get an education. Because some of you certainly need it.

1. You do not get to simultaneously be attracted to feminine women while mocking their beauty cabinet
A few years ago I was dating someone who I had already known me for a few years. He knew I liked lipstick, owned a beauty blog and took longer to get ready than him. But when he seen my bedroom for the first time and witnessed the floor-to-ceiling beauty cupboard? He scoffed at it and whenever I couldn't afford something snapped at me "well if you didn't spend so much money on beauty products".

I was around 23 at this point and not as well-versed in feminism as I am now. If that was to happen to me today, I'd probably tell him that if he wants to continue enjoying my soft skin that he compliments so damn often, he better not roll his eyes and my body scrub and moisturiser collection.

2. Beauty products cost a lot
A man who likes feminine women but has never lived with one, probably doesn't know how much all these products cost. A few years ago I wrote a "how much does my face cost?" post, and it came to £92.90 (you can read the post here).

Just as you shouldn't scoff at the amount of products a feminine woman owns, you shouldn't scoff at the number at the checkout till. Especially if you are attracted to women who take care of their appearance.

3. And yes, it takes a lot of time 
I get up about an hour and a half before work, which isn't too strange - but I don't wear much make-up to work.

If I am going on a night out though, I start getting ready with three hours to spare. Three hours? Well between the shower, hair removal, eyebrow taming, blow-drying, hair straightening, make-up applying, nail painting and dressing - yeah three hours adds up.

That's not to mention taking time out to dye my hair once a month.

4. Even the natural look takes a lot of work
I'm not a massive make-up wearer, but I love skin and hair care. This throws guys off. They see my barely-there face and assume they've met their unicorn: a girl who doesn't cover her face in slap because she has naturally clear skin and eyebrows that grow in a perfect arch.


My hair colour isn't natural. I rotate between four different shampoos to get the best results. I use hair mouse daily. I use a face mask weekly. I use hair oil over night (when I know I'll be washing my hair in the morning). I get my hair trimmed on the regular. I wax my eyebrows. I shave my underarms, legs and forearms. I use an exfoliate and moisturiser on a daily basis. I also cleanse, tone and moisturise on a twice daily basis. I have a separate moisturiser for my face, hands, feet and general body. I use eye cream. And night treatment.

My natural look still involves a lot of product and time.

5. YouTube tutorials are educational
I love YouTube tutorials. Long gone are the days trying to recreate a look from a magazine without really understanding what the writer means ("the brush goes where?"). With video tutorials I can literally sit and watch another girl do her make-up to learn exactly how she got her catflick so perfect.

If you're a dude who's reading this and thinking "I'd like to learn more about what goes into a female beauty regime" then YouTube tutorials can help you too. Like a certain make-up style on a girl? You can find out how long - and how much product - it took.

6. Don't expect even the highest maintenance woman to be well-groomed at all times
I like taking care of my appearance, but I've also got a lot more going on in my life. So sometimes it slides. Sometimes I won't shave my legs. Sometimes my nails are chipped. Sometimes I leave my hair for an extra day.

If you're going to pursue a relationship with a well-groomed women, you can't expect her to look perfect all the goddam time. I've dated men (usually those who have never had a serious girlfriend) who have made comments about body hair when it has grown back in. Did you not realise women grew hair on their legs? Did you think I was naturally smooth? Or did you think I never give my skin a break from a razor?

If you can't handle me at my lazy unshaven Sunday worst, you don't deserve me at my waxed and preened Friday night best (or something like that...).

7. Even a thorough male grooming regime doesn't come close
I have dated guys right across the spectrum of male beauty regimes. From teenage boyfriends who had questionable hygiene and bad facial hair, to a guy that used an exfoliate with gold in it. I've pretty much seen the whole thing.

But even a man who puts in a lot of time and effort to his beauty regime still puts in less effort than a feminine woman. Nail polish, blow drying long hair, full body hair removal, and make-up are all elements of a female beauty regime that a man typically won't engage in.

Honestly speaking, well-groomed men do seem to understand this and they deserve credit. A well-groomed man has never mocked my beauty cabinet or complained when I did leave my legs a day longer than I'd like. Or have a I just been lucky?

8. Don't fancy women who wear make-up? STFU 
On the other side of the coin you have men who proudly claim that they don't fancy women who wear make-up - and even actively discourage women from using it.

I know that some of these men mean well. They want to free women of oppressive beauty standards (and pat themselves on the back like the male saviour that they are). We don't make our choices within a vacuum and feminine women - myself included - do need to unpack why we spend so much effort and money to look 'better'.

But when you do this you are still effectively policing a woman's body. You're telling women that they should dress in a way that please you personally. We all have a type, yes, but only jackasses push they're type on others.

9. Ask yourself why you like feminine girls
If you're a guy who puts little effort into his own appearance and is exclusively attracted to well-groomed women you should probably unpack why that is. Do you know extremely little about female beauty regimes? Can you not tell the difference between a women who has a basic beauty regime and a women who spends £100 a week? Have you never lived with a woman who owns more than two hair products? Or do you (consciously or subconsciously) still think that women should put more effort into their appearance than men?

I know well-groomed women who are attracted to the manly scruffy look, so by all means I'm not saying you should change your type. But for each of these women, I've known five scruffy men who've thrown a bitch fit when a feminine woman doesn't fancy them. So just go have a word with yourself.

10. Finally, don't assume women wear make-up for male attention
Just because a woman is dressed to the nines and perfectly coiffed doesn't mean that she is looking for male attention. Make-up is also about self-expression. How someone dresses and styles themselves gives off non-verbal queues to the world about what kind of person they are. A perfectly pressed suit and fresh make-up implies powerful business woman. A sundress implies girly. Dark lipstick and teal hair implies alternative.

Or maybe they like how red lipstick makes them feel. Or they just like having soft skin. She might already be a monogamous relationship. Or maybe it's women they want to attract.

Women aren't as obsessed with bagging a guy as you would be led to believe.

In the grand scheme of equality and feminist issues, this issue might seem trivial. But I believe that micro-aggressions add up. And this kind of thinking contributes to bad body image when men don't fucking understand that women don't look perfectly coiffed naturally. As a teenager it hurt me too, when I didn't understand why I didn't look like the women in the media as I was yet to understand that these women have make-up artists, hairdressers and fitness instructors on hand.

And men, I'm not even trying to mock you with this. Admittedly the men who need to read this probably aren't going to - but a (feminine) girl can try, can't she?

Feminine make-up wearers - what do you which straight dudes understood about make-up? 
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100 Questions

100 Questions

Ever wanted to know the name of my best friend or whether I prefer savoury or sweet foods? Well, now's your chance. Thanks to Gail for tagging me. 

Q1: What’s your name?

Morag Margaret Lee

Q2: Any nicknames or aliases?

I do get called Mo but it's a nickname rather than a shortened version of my full name, if that makes sense.

Q3: Your gender?


Q4: Your star sign?

Scorpio (and proud)

Q5: How old are you?


Q6: Your relationship status?

Bordering on spinster...

Q7: Any children?

Q8: Any pets?

Nope (might consider a pet one day)

Q9: Any tattoos or piercings?

I have my lobes, forward helix, helix, and rook pierced. I used to have my tragus and belly button but they didn't quite work out. I don't have any tattoos but I've had several ideas over the years and someone just needs to pin me down...

Q10: What do you like about yourself?
My resilience and morals.

Q11: What do you dislike about yourself?

I'm unassertive and put my head in the sand instead of dealing with issues straight on.

Q12: Righty or lefty?

Righty for my pen, lefty for my politics. 


Q13: The last thing you drank?

Almond Milk

Q14: The last thing you ate?

Tomato and basil soup

Q15: Your last phone call?


Q16: Your last text message?

02, I hate texting.

Q17: Your last email?

My bank statement from Nationwide.

Q18: The last song you listened to?

Britney Spears - Overprotected.

Q19: The last book you read?

Inferior by Angela Saini

Q20: The last time you cried?

I'm not much of a crier and I really can't remember.

Q21: The last blog you read?

Gail's newest blog that she wrote in French.

Q22: The last person you spoke to?

In person was Gail, but I'm chatting to my friend Rachele as I type.

Q23: The last place you visited?

I was in Firewater last night for the first time.

Q24: Your last holiday abroad?

Berlin last year.


Q25: Have you ever gotten back with an ex?


Q26: Have you ever been cheated on?

So, maybe. When I was 19 I was getting on to my then boyfriend about a girl who clearly liked him, and he wouldn't push her away. Even when he broke up with me he said "you don't trust me". They became a couple within days. I have no idea if I was physically cheated on though.

Q27: Have you ever cheated on someone?


Q28: Have you ever lost someone special to you?


Q29: Have you ever been so drunk you threw up?


Q30: Have you ever fallen out of love with someone?


Q31: Have you ever met someone who changed you?


Q32: Have you ever been in a situation where you found out who your real friends are?


Q33: Have you ever kissed someone you probably shouldn’t have?

No, not really. I've regretted kissing people but I've never kissed someone who I morally shouldn't have.

Q34: Have you ever found out people were talking about you behind your back?

Haven't we all?

Q35: Have you ever broken someone’s heart?

Q36: Have you ever kissed a stranger?


Q37: Have you ever had your own heart-broken?


Q38: Have you ever had sex on the first date?

Q39: Have you ever been arrested?


Q40: Have you ever been attracted to someone who isn’t the gender you usually find attractive?

Q41: Have you ever done something you regret?

I try not to regret anything, but yes I do regret some decisions.

Q42: Have you ever had a threesome?


Q43: Have you ever embarrassed yourself in public?
Yeah, not for a long time now though.

Q44: Have you ever misjudged someone?

Tbh, I have really good intuition for reading people very quickly and my assumptions usually end up being correct.


Q45: Do you believe in God?

Q46: Do you believe in yourself?

Most of the time, but I have my down days like everyone else.

Q47: Do you believe in Santa Claus?

Not since I was 7....

Q48: Do you believe in ghosts?

Q49: Do you believe in aliens?

Yes, because we can't be the only ones out there BUT not in the creepy green spaceship way.

Q50: Do you believe in miracles?


Q51: Do you believe in the power of positive thinking?

Yes, but I also believe it has its limits.

Q52: Do you believe in love at first sight?

I do.

Q53: Can money make you happy?

Only because we live in a capitalist society.

Q54: Would you describe yourself as a feminist?

Have you met me/or read my blog? Of course!

Q55: Are you pro-life or pro-choice?


Q56: Do you have strong political beliefs?

Yes. I am a member for the Scottish Green Party.

Q57: Do you have strong religious beliefs?

No, I'm pretty apathetic.

Q58: What do you think the most important thing you can give a child is?

Freedom to choose their own path/respect them as an individual.


Q59: Are you eating anything right now?

Q60: Are you drinking anything right now?


Q61: What are you listening to right now?

Nothing, I hate listening to music while I'm trying to write.

Q62: What are you thinking about right now?

If there's anything productive I need to do today.

Q63: What are you waiting for right now?


Q64: What are you most excited about right now?

I'm hungover so not much haha.

Q65:  What’s your pet hate right now?

Too many to mention...

Q66: What’s your favourite thing right now?

Cuddly pyjamas

Q67: If you weren’t answering these questions, what would you be doing right now?



Q68: Your first best friend?

I'd say two girls on my street called Charlotte and Ashleigh.

Q69: Your first kiss?

A boy named Christopher when we were 4 and lived up the street hahahaha. (my next kiss would be a stranger at a party when I was 15 lol)

Q70: Your first celebrity crush?

The only celebrity crush I've ever had as a teenager was....Buy Burnett aka Craig Dean in Hollyaoks lol.

Q71: Your first holiday?

Lake District, but I don't remember it.

Q72: Your first pet?

Maggie who was a German Shepard/Collie mix. My parents already had her when I was born and she lived right up until I was almost 13.

Q73: Your first regret?

God knows.

Q74: Your first job?

Waitress at a local golf club.

Q75: Your first childhood memory?

My 4th birthday party was probably my first vivid memory. Nothing particularly exciting happened but I can remember bits and bobs.


Q76: Love or money?


Q77: Twitter or Facebook?

I use them for different purposes but if I had to choose, Facebook.

Q78: Hook up or relationship?

I'm not opposed to a hookup and as a long-term single lady I've had my fair share of them. But I'd ultimately say relationship.

Q:79: Dogs or cats?

Dogs, deffo.

Q80: Coffee or tea?


Q81: Beer or wine?

I'd say wine, but I typically drink spirits.

Q82: Sweet or savoury?

Savoury, I never ate many sweets.

Q83: Introvert or extrovert?
Introvert, fo sho.

Q84: Vampires or werewolves?

Vampires. Werewolves are weird and ugly.

Q85: Seaside or countryside?

Seaside. I would love to live in a city that sits on a beach (but neither Aberdeen and Dundee did it for me).

Q86: Summer or winter?

Summer. Cold gives me the boke.

Q87: Books or movies?

I go through stages and right now I'm in a book stage.

Q88: Horror or comedy?

Had a passion for horror since I was a teenager.


Q89: Do you wish you could change your past?

Parts of it, but I usually just try and learn from it.

Q90: What’s your dream job?

Professional sociologist.

Q91: What’s your guilty pleasure?

I don't believe in guilty pleasures. Be proud of what you like.

Q92: What are you afraid of?

Spiders, snakes, crabs, lizards...the usual icky stuff.

Q93: What was the first thing you wanted to be when you grew up?

Q94: If you could have any super power, what would it be?
Flight. Which is not very imaginative but I have recurring dreams where I can fly.

Q95: If you could change anything about your life what would it be?

There's not I would change right now tbh.

Q96: Would you want immortality?

No. My gran died over a year ago and she lived until 96. Watching her grow to that age and reach a point where she actually wanted to bow out put me off living for ages.

Q97: If you could interview anyone alive or dead who would you choose?
Christina Aguileria.

Q98: Would you say you are happy?

Q99: What one piece of advice would you give to yourself at age eighteen?

Don't rush adulthood and don't treat growing up as a checklist.

Q100: Where would you like to be in five years’ time?

I'll be 32 (eeek). In my own flat with a mortgage is my only permanent goal. Other than that I'll see where life takes me.
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How to Maximize your Fitness Goals through Diet: The Vegan Guide to Protein Alternatives

How to Maximize your Fitness Goals through Diet: The Vegan Guide to Protein Alternatives

No, I've not suddenly become a fitness blogger. This is a guest post by the amazing Emily from Borders and Burpees, a vegan travel and fitness blog. While I do know my way around nutritional labels, I don't require any extra protein than your average person - but I know maintaining high protein levels is a source of frustration for active types going vegan. So I brought in someone who knows what they're talking about. Take it away Emily....

When I first turned vegan, I found a lot of backlash in the fitness community. I couldn’t believe that people dedicated to keeping fit could be unsupportive of something that is so healthy!? Lifting weights and bodybuilding has always been built on the backbone of getting an enormous amount of protein, with chicken, fish and beef being the main sources – as well as milky protein shakes and cottage cheese. Through trial and error, as well as soaking up as much online resources as I possible could, I found the best alternative protein sources. Here’s my top tips on the best vegan protein sources and where to find them in Glasgow!


A staple in any vegan’s diet, tofu has long been accepted as a great protein source and alternative to meat. What makes it so good is its versatility – you can make scrambled tofu for breakfast, tofu burgers for lunch and crispy Chinese tofu for dinner, all tasting completely different.

The Tofoo Company is the brand of tofu I go for, it’s well priced at £2 a block and comes in naked/ smoked. Making it perfect for marinating or putting straight in a dish, easy! You can pick it up at Waitrose, who has a good tofu selection with a few other brands stocked as well.

Tofu has less calories than meat, but every 100g only has around a quarter of the protein. Therefore, it’s good to combine tofu with rich grains such as quinoa or lentils to get a good protein kick! 

Nut Butter

Peanut butter is a fitness diet staple. Especially for those who are looking to pack some extra calories into their diet to gain muscle. Gone are the days when you only had smooth and crunchy to choose from, with whole ranges of different flavours and nuts on offer, you really are spoiled for choice! My favourite is the Pip & Nut range, which I first came across in London at a friend’s apartment. Flavours include Honey Roasted Cashew, Peanut and Maple and Coconut Almond Butter. 

The range is a little pricier that your usual nut butter and you do go through it faster due to it being so delicious, but the premium is worth it for the quality. For those who are vegan for ethical reasons, you will be glad to know there is “absolutely no palm oil” in the product, which means it’s good for the environment as well.

Wholefoods used to be where I got my Pip & Nut fix, but with the Giffnock branch closing I was fearful of a lifetime purchasing it online. Luck for us, Sainsbury’s and Holland and Barrett now stock the range.


Another great option for vegans is seitan, seitan bacon strips are becoming especially popular and served in lots of vegan restaurants like The Flying Duck. The substitute has around 20 grams of protein per 3 ounce portion, which is comparable to lean meat.

Unfortunately, seitan is a bit harder to source than the rest of the options on this list, with smaller health food stores being the most likely option to stock them. Roots and Fruits in the West End has a small range, but your best chance of getting some quality Seitan is to source it online. 


So, this one some find a little controversial. A lot of people go vegan to avoid processed food and Mycoprotein is about as processed as you can get! However, Quorn are expanding their growing vegan range to meet the new demand for plant based diets, so it’s a substitute definitely worth considering. If you’re looking for an easy to cook alternative in the form of burgers, sausages and fish fingers then this is a good option.

Quorn is commonplace in all major supermarkets, with larger stores having a better range – the best selection can be found at Waitrose, Sainsburys and larger Tesco stores.

I found changing gym was a big help in my fitness goals, I was previously a member of a few of the 24-hour leading chains and ethics didn’t seem high on their priority list. Now I go to Village Gym, where I’ve spoken to a few other vegetarians and vegans during classes. The bonus here is the on-site Starbucks where I can get a soya latte after!

If you are transitioning to a vegan lifestyle, I think it’s all about finding what works for you. Perhaps there are some changes that you will need to adapt, but you will feel positive and confident once you are through that initial adjustment phase - knowing you are doing something to help animals, the environment and yourself!

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